Military commanders tell Brown to withdraw from Iraq without delay
Gordon Brown has been told by British military commanders that he should withdraw British troops from Iraq "without delay" as Britain can achieve "nothing more" in that country.
Last month Gordon Brown said after meeting George Bush at Camp David that the decision to hand over security in Basra province – the last of the four held by the British – "will be made on the military advice of our commanders on the ground". He added: "Whatever happens, we will make a full statement to Parliament when it returns [in October]."
Two generals told The Independent on Sunday last week that the military advice given to the Prime Minister was, "We've done what we can in the south [of Iraq]".
The army who arrived in Iraq to impose democracy on the region have since changed their priorities and are now saying that their aims are now to bring about "an orderly withdrawal" with the reputation and capability of the Army "reasonably intact".
The rift between the US and the UK on this subject have finally broken into the open with the Americans, for the first time, speaking of Britain as having been defeated in Iraq.
American criticism of Britain's desire to pull back in southern Iraq has recently become public, with a US intelligence official telling The Washington Post this month that "the British have basically been defeated in the south". A senior British commander countered, "That's to miss the point. It was never that kind of battle, in which we set out to defeat an enemy."Of course, the main American objection to the British plans involves the British intention of leaving Basra Palace, which the Americans want to maintain as the CIA find this useful for watching Iran.
I must also say that I find it highly ironic that the Americans are speaking of British "defeat" whilst continuing to view their own efforts as a success in the making. I would think the Americans would do well to avoid such name calling as one day the Americans will themselves have to leave and there are many of us who doubt that Iraq will look any better when they have to do so, than it looks today.
As I write this Allawi is speaking on the BBC of Iraq now being a "failed state". After more than four years of war - a longer timescale than was taken to defeat Nazi Germany in WWII - the US and UK have still failed to impose the most basic order to Iraq's streets.
There is no indication that they have any chance of doing so now. And that appears to be the message being given by the British military commanders to Brown. The war is over. It is lost.
The only question now is how long one keeps the troops there whilst refusing to accept the inevitable.
When Brown visited Bush he made clear that he would be guided by advice from military commanders on the ground. He is now, if these reports are true, being given very clear advice.
Brown will leave Bush in the lurch if he decides to pull out the Brits at this stage. However, British and US relations would survive such a withdrawal as Bush is, to all extents and purposes, a lame duck President.
I have no idea what Brown will do, but he has greatly pleased his party with the stances he has taken so far regarding British relations with the US vis a vis Iraq. The military commanders are giving him the open goal he requires should he want to withdraw. The question now is whether or not Brown will put the ball in the back of the net.
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After more than four years of war - a longer timescale than was taken to defeat Nazi Germany in WWII
Of course any student of history would know that the German insurgency lasted for years after Germany surrendered.
But to the point of your post, it has been recognized for some time now that the UK has been defeated in the South. As has become clear by the British military performance in southern Iraq as well as the incident with the Iranians in the Gulf, the UK military lacks the will or ability to fight. They have become quite pussified. They are now firmly on par with the rest of the militaries of Western Europe.
No doubt when the time comes the Biritsh General will stand before his troops and in perfect Python fashion scream the new battlecry of the British forces: "Run away! Run away!"
An anecdote to follow up my previous post. When I was stationed in the UK I had had the opportunity to go on an exercise with a group of USAF Security Police (not army infantry or anything like that) to act as part of an aggressor force against the British Army. In other words, we were to serve as part of the "bad guys" for a British army exercise.
On this one particular part of the exercise the Brits, in superior numbers, attacked our position. We beat them back, forcing them to retreat, and took several prisoners to boot. Apparently that's not how the script was supposed to go as the brass over and exclaimed that the Brits were supposed to overrun us, and that we were going to do it again, but this time just let them walk right through and "overrun" us.
There were several other similar incidents as well. At the time I just assumed it was because we were more aggressive and better motivated than they were, but I guess it was a sign of things to come.
Enjoy your posturing, Jason. On the day that you withdraw you have already prepared your defence that the US were not given "enough time".
Deep down, even you have accepted that this battle will not be won.
Deep down, even you have accepted that this battle will not be won.
This would be another example of you presuming to tell me what I believe.
You have stated that you do not think the US army will be given enough time to win. What else can that possibly be other than a prediction that you think they will eventually lose?
You have stated that you do not think the US army will be given enough time to win.
I believe "win" is your word, not mine. I wouldn't be surprised if politicians force a withdrawal before the military goals are all accomplished. That does not imply a loss, and it certainly doesn't imply that I "accept they will eventually lose". Again, everything is not black and white, win or lose. I have not "accepted" that the US military will "lose". Again, I think I have a pretty good handle on what my own beliefs on the subject are.
I wouldn't be surprised if politicians force a withdrawal before the military goals are all accomplished.
Failing to achieve military goals is the way in which we determine whether battles were won or lost.
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