Giuliani anti Palestinian state
Giuliani has stated that he does not support a Palestinian state and has said that any such state would be "another state that will support terrorism".
"Palestinian statehood will have to be earned through sustained good governance, a clear commitment to fighting terrorism, and a willingness to live in peace with Israel.
"America's commitment to Israel's security is a permanent feature of our foreign policy."
The very fact that Giuliani can ask for "good governance" from an occupied people simply beggars belief. How good is the governance in Iraq at the moment? How well is that administration doing at "fighting terrorism"?
The act of occupation is, in itself, an act of violence. Giuliani appears to think that the occupied people have the responsibility of restoring order rather than the occupiers themselves.
It is also, at a time when the Israelis are preparing serious grounds for negotiations, highly irresponsible for Guiliani to make this kind of comment.
Mr Giuliani said too much emphasis had been placed on brokering negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.Considering the fact that the Bush administration has spent less time attempting to negotiate between the two sides than any previous administration in memory, marks Giuliani's comments as a sick joke.
I would say that, because of these comments alone, this man is unfit for the Presidency.
If he doesn't see the link between the lack of a Palestinian state and terrorism worldwide, then he is simply too stupid for the job.
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Maybe the quotes in this article comes off as controversial or something to the average Euro-leftie, but I don't believe it plays that way to the average American.
I would say that, because of these comments alone, this man is unfit for the Presidency.
But as we've already established, you don't have any say in the matter. On the other hand, as someone who does get a say and who didn't suddenly become aware of the man only as a result of 9/11, he may get my vote.
If he doesn't see the link between the lack of a Palestinian state and terrorism worldwide, then he is simply too stupid for the job.
nowhere in the article does it say one way or the other whether or not he sees any "link" as you call it. The main link is a sick religion.
nowhere in the article does it say one way or the other whether or not he sees any "link" as you call it. The main link is a sick religion.
A "sick" religion? Unless you are going to write off all religions as "sick" then I'd say your extremism is starting to show.
And the article doesn't need to state whether or not he sees a link between forming a state of Palestine and modern terrorism. The very fact that he's proposing ditching the Palestinian state means he doesn't get it.
And what do you mean, he "might" get your vote? Whoever is standing as the Republican candidate will eventually get your vote... Or are you pretending that you are tempted by Obama or Hillary?
A "sick" religion? Unless you are going to write off all religions as "sick" then I'd say your extremism is starting to show.
I don't get it. Why would I write-off all religions as sick, what does that have to do with the obvious fact that terrorists practice a sick religion, and how pointing out that obvious fact indicate that I am an extremist?
And the article doesn't need to state whether or not he sees a link between forming a state of Palestine and modern terrorism. The very fact that he's proposing ditching the Palestinian state means he doesn't get it.
Nowhere in the article you linked to does he propose "ditching the Palestinian state", so that's hardly a fact.
He does state that it is not in the best interest of the US to assist the creation of another state that will support terrorism. He makes his thought process clear on the subject when he says that the Palestinians need to demonstrate that they are interested in a viable state that will not be a supporter of terrorism. If not, why on Earth would the US assist with its creation?
But, as he quite clearly lays out what he believes the Palestinians must do in order for us to assist with the creation of their state, I'm not sure how one could infer that he is "ditching the Palestinian state".
And what do you mean, he "might" get your vote? Whoever is standing as the Republican candidate will eventually get your vote... Or are you pretending that you are tempted by Obama or Hillary?
As I'm not a registered Democrat or Republican (which means I won't be voting in the primaries), and I have no idea who the parties will offer up for the general election, nor do I know who the third party candidates will be, I think might sums it up pretty well.
Why would I write-off all religions as sick, what does that have to do with the obvious fact that terrorists practice a sick religion, and how pointing out that obvious fact indicate that I am an extremist?
You appear to be calling the whole of Islam "sick" rather than the misguided terrorists who are subverting it to suit their cause. That is an extremist position.
Nowhere in the article you linked to does he propose "ditching the Palestinian state", so that's hardly a fact.
At a time when the Israelis are making serious noises about beginning negotiations, he has introduced a spanner to the works. It's simply disgraceful. I don't know which particular right wing freakshow he's playing to - I suspect the born again Christians - but any attempt to halt the formation of a state of Palestine is effectively "ditching" it for another generation at least.
As I'm not a registered Democrat or Republican (which means I won't be voting in the primaries), and I have no idea who the parties will offer up for the general election, nor do I know who the third party candidates will be, I think might sums it up pretty well.
We'll see. My money goes on you voting Republican at the next election. You might call yourself an independent, but your mindset - from every argument you have ever made on here - is that of a Republican.
You appear to be calling the whole of Islam "sick" rather than the misguided terrorists who are subverting it to suit their cause. That is an extremist position.
So then you believe that the religion the terrorists practice is true Islam? I myself choose to not hold this belief, but if you do, then I could see where you might consider it an extremist position.
At a time when the Israelis are making serious noises about beginning negotiations, he has introduced a spanner to the works
Really? I can't see how he's in any position to introduce a spanner in the works. In what way do you feel he has had an impact on Palestinian statehood?
don't know which particular right wing freakshow he's playing to - I suspect the born again Christians
Yes, because we know in the world leftwing-extremists live in, Christians are bad people, and born-again Christians are even worse. That aside, you are aware the Rudy was the mayor of NYC, yes? You are aware that NYC has a huge (and predominantly left-of-center) Jewish population, yes? So with those two factoids in mind, you can see how Rudy might be very pro-Israel, right? And as far as him playing to a, what did you call it, "right wing freakshow", you are aware that for a Republican, Rudy is considered downright liberal, yes?
So then you believe that the religion the terrorists practice is true Islam?
I said precisely the opposite. I said that they are "subverting" Islam to suit their cause.
At a time when the Israelis are making serious noises about beginning negotiations, he has introduced a spanner to the works
Really? I can't see how he's in any position to introduce a spanner in the works. In what way do you feel he has had an impact on Palestinian statehood?
He's running for President, Jason. He's letting it be known that if he is elected that a Palestinian state will be off the table. Israelis who do not want a state of Palestine will use his words in an attempt to impede progress.
And as far as him playing to a, what did you call it, "right wing freakshow", you are aware that for a Republican, Rudy is considered downright liberal, yes?
Some do think him too liberal, which is why he is playing to the right wing freak show.
He's letting it be known that if he is elected that a Palestinian state will be off the table.
As I've already stated, nowhere in the article does he state that a Palestinian state will "be off the table".
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