Government requests return of British residents from Guantánamo Bay
For years Tony Blair skirted around the issue and refused to get involved, lest he annoyed George Bush. After all, the men locked up at Guantanamo Bay might have been British residents, but they were not British citizens, a distinction that Blair used to avoid having to call for their release which, effectively, resulted in him signalling that they could go hang.
Thankfully, Gordon Brown is a more humane man and he has stepped up to the plate and requested that America let the five remaining British men locked up in Guantanamo Bay go and has vowed that he will allow them to return to the UK.Whitehall officials said ministers and their advisers had come to realise that the government's position - that the men were either still regarded as security risks or that their residency status had lapsed - was untenable. "The UK was calling for an end to Guantánamo Bay yet was not doing all it could do [to end it]," said one official. What made the British position appear worse was the change in the US approach, with Washington suggesting that the men were no longer regarded as threats to American national security.
"No longer regarded as threats to American national security." That's the nearest Washington ever comes to admitting that they have, for four years, detained and possibly tortured totally innocent men.
Washington ought to compensate these people for the trauma that they have put them through. In any other circumstances, a person who was wrongly convicted of a crime would have the right to compensation. And that's a right that belongs to people who have only been put in jail; they have not been shackled and flown half way around the world to a camp where many suspect torture takes place.
Even Lord Goldsmith, the former Attorney General, has had warm words, praising Brown for taking actions that Blair only contemplated but never actually got around to. And, now out of office, Goldsmith was much more forthright about what he thought about Guantanamo Bay than he ever was whilst Attorney General.Families and supporters of the men expressed both delight and caution last night. Mr Deghayes's brother, Abubaker, said: "When I heard I was so happy, I was in tears. It's been a long, long terrible episode. Previous experience shows when the British government officially makes a request to the Americans they do manage to bring them back."
But his sister, Amina, was more cautious, saying she would not be able to celebrate properly until her brother was back in the UK. "I am getting mixed messages," she said. "Some people are telling me he is definitely coming back. Other people are saying they are going to request he come back and they may not be successful for a while."
In May the Guardian revealed that the US military had decided Mr Banna was no longer a security threat and was prepared to release him. But British authorities would not guarantee that he would be allowed back in the country, which meant he could be returned to his native Jordan. Yet Britain accepts he was tortured in Jordan, which is why he was granted refugee status. The high court was due to rule tomorrow on whether the government would have to accept Mr Banna back.
Mr Banna's MP, Sarah Teather, said: "The government were frightened of losing the court case. They have been stalling and stalling until they thought they couldn't get away with it.
"The US are trying to clear out Guantánamo and, as their closest ally, we have a duty to help them. Abandoning British residents to indefinite imprisonment in obscene conditions was a gross dereliction of duty by the government."
Last night Lord Goldsmith, who was attorney general in the Blair government, admitted that " getting consensus within government was not easy" but claimed that the UK had been "moving towards it".
"But I am very pleased that Gordon Brown's government has reached a decision. It is the right one," he added, claiming to have always opposed the camp as "wrong in principle and practice". " Guantanamo had become a symbol of injustice; it had become a rallying call for terrorism... I think it has dragged the good name of the United States, the good reputation for liberty and justice, through the dirt instead of upholding those traditions," he said.
So Brown has stepped up to the plate and asked the US to send the men back to the UK. Good for him.
From the US they will receive no apology for what they have been put through. There will be no admission that they have been wrongfully imprisoned. If they have been tortured, the Bush administration will ask them to accept that as the way things now have to be since the US was attacked. They should probably regard it as unfortunate but necessary.
This is now how the USA operates, Bush-Cheney style. It's astonishing to witness how far that noble nation has fallen in such a short period of time.
Historians will look back at this Presidency and wonder what Congress were doing whilst Bush destroyed America's standing in the world.
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"No longer regarded as threats to American national security." That's the nearest Washington ever comes to admitting that they have, for four years, detained and possibly tortured totally innocent men.
On what basis are you able to state that they are "totally innocent men"?
So Brown has stepped up to the plate and asked the US to send the men back to the UK. Good for him.
They should blend well with all the other terrorists and islamic extremists in Great Britainistan.
From the US they will receive no apology for what they have been put through.
Why do you feel they should receive an apology?
There will be no admission that they have been wrongfully imprisoned.
What proof is there that they have been wrongfully imprisoned?
It's astonishing to witness how far that noble nation has fallen in such a short period of time.
Having browsed many of your posts, you are astonished quite often.
On what basis are you able to state that they are "totally innocent men"?
All men are innocent until found guilty... Have you forgotten something so basic?
And, as they are innocent - and your govenment are offering no evidence that they are not - then it follows that they have been wrongfully imprisoned for four years. I can't understand why you would question the fact that someone in that situation deserves an apology.
All men are not "innocent until found guilty". The "all men are presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law" is a judicial concept. In case you weren't oblivious to the Geneva Conentions and LOAC (we've already long since established that you are), then you would know that battlefield detainees are not detained with the purpose of putting them on trial. You would also know that they are allowed to be held until the conflict has ended.
So the fallacy you are perpetrating is that since these enemy combatants (according to a status review board) haven't been charged with a crime then there is no reason they should have been detained in the first place, and given the lack of charges they are "innocent" of the actions that got them there in the first place. This might read well to the Daily Kos and its denizens, but it has no grounding in reality.
Now given that we have easily established that your claim that they are "totally innocent men" is spurious, your claim that they were "wrongfully imprisoned" is equally fallacious. There is no proof you can offer that they were wrongfully imprisoned.
Which leaves to my third unanswered question, which is given that you can offer no actual proof that they are innocent, nor any proof that they were wrongfully imprisoned, on what grounds do you feel they should receive an apology?
Firstly, Jamil el-Banna was not a battlefield detainee. He was arrested in Gambia. As far as I can ascertain, none of these men were arrested on a battleground, unless you are arguing that the entire world is a battleground. Or every single street in Afghanistan is a battleground. The subject of battleground detainees is one to return to another time.
At the moment we are discussing people arrested as "terrorists", not as battleground detainees.
I do not accept that the war on a noun is a real war, so you certainly don't have the right to hold them until the end of hostilities.
And I don't accept any of your notions regarding the applicability of the Geneva Conventions and LOAC to men arrested at airports and the like on suspicion of terrorism.
Also, it's slightly rich to have you quote the Geneva Conventions at me as your country has not exactly honoured that Convention:
Article 13: Humane treatment required; No reprisals allowed.
Article 17: No physical or mental torture; No coercion to obtain information; Prisoners who decline to provide information may not be threatened, insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment.
Article 70: Prisoners must be allowed to write to family, others.
Do you quote only the bits of Geneva that suit your argument at a particular time? Or do you genuinely think your country is honouring the Geneva Conventions?
And I note that you also use the Rumsfeld term "enemy combatents" which is a totally American concept, no-one else in the international community shares this peculiarly American reading of international law. I'd go as far as to say it's complete bollocks.
But, back to the subject at hand. Terrorists are criminals. Nothing more. And that is not only my opinion, it is also the opinion of the British Director of Public Prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald:
He said: "London is not a battlefield. Those innocents who were murdered on July 7 2005 were not victims of war. And the men who killed them were not, as in their vanity they claimed on their ludicrous videos, 'soldiers'. They were deluded, narcissistic inadequates. They were criminals. They were fantasists. We need to be very clear about this. On the streets of London, there is no such thing as a 'war on terror', just as there can be no such thing as a 'war on drugs'.
"The fight against terrorism on the streets of Britain is not a war. It is the prevention of crime, the enforcement of our laws and the winning of justice for those damaged by their infringement."
So, as the men we are talking about were arrested in civvie street, I would say that the proper place to try these people is in a court of law.
The reason Bush is attempting to avoid that is because he appears to have very little evidence against most of them.
And if you want to use military commissions against men who were "battlefield detainees" then you have to apply all of the Conventions, you can't pick and choose what bits you like and ignore the rest.
Your logic is best summed up by this:
There is no proof you can offer that they were wrongfully imprisoned.
Proving that it was right to hold someone under arrest is for the person who committed the arrest to prove, it is not for the person arrested, or myself, to prove that their detention was wrong.
And if they were rightly held, why are they now being released? Why do they no longer represent a threat to the US? Surely, after four years in Guantanamo, they hate you even more and are even more dangerous towards the US? Releasing them now would be an act of folly. Unless they were never a real danger in the first place...
ROFLMAO! You paste in pieces of an article (without linking to the original of course) by members of A.N.S.W.E.R as an indication that you've read and understand the Geneva Conventions and LOAC. Hell, it wasn't even a good summary. That is absolutely the funniest thing I've seen on this blog so far.
Well that's an argument you did well to skirt around Jason. Well done for managing to avoid your confusing battlefield detainess with people arrested in Gambia.
And, indeed, for managing to avoid actually making any argument at all.
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