Saturday, September 11, 2010

Florida pastor's daughter says "he needs help".

The daughter of Pastor Terry Jones, the man currently still contemplating whether or not to burn the Qur'an to commemorate the ninth anniversary of 9-11, has said that her father "needs help" as he "has gone mad".

"My father is not one to give up," said Emma Jones, 30. "As a daughter, I see the good-natured core inside him. But I think he needs help."

"I think he has gone mad," she added.

She then describes what happened when he opened a church in Germany:

She described how a Christian community her father spent years building in Cologne, Germany was at first Bible-orientated but later changed. After leaving the community aged 17, Emma Jones said she returned in 2005 to find it had become sect-like.

"I saw that my father preached and did things that I didn't find biblical at all. He demanded total allegiance to himself and his second wife," she said. His first wife, her mother, died in 1996.

"That was real religious delusion I saw," she added. "Typical evidence of a sect."

Emma Jones said the community kicked out her father in 2008, when he returned to the United States.

"I really hope he comes to his senses," she said.

As do we all.

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12 comments:

Anonymous said...

The media, politicians and blogosphere swarm like flies on shit over some insignificant individual with 30 followers who considered a small albeit distasteful exercise of free speech. Meanwhile the mere threat that someone might possibly burn a Koran is enough to spark massive violent protests among the ignorant masses in some parts of the world. Somehow I don't think that it's the pastor who's the problem here.

Kel said...

The media, politicians and blogosphere swarm like flies on shit over some insignificant individual with 30 followers who considered a small albeit distasteful exercise of free speech.,

He was proposing to do this in a country which has invaded two Muslim countries and killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Bin Laden argues that this war is not against terrorism, but is actually a war against Islam.

Terry Jones argues that Islam is evil. Are you seriously saying that you don't understand why this is a big story?

The UN, the US president, and almost every country in the world has spoken out against what this man proposed.... And you think they are ALL over reacting?

Anonymous said...

Yes, exactly. They all overreacted. The media ignores this and there's no story and hundreds of thousands of ignorant fanatics aren't incited to violence. This guy is a media creation. The media outlets were going to cover this burning if there had been one. That's responsible journalism for you.

The bottom line though is that the story isn't Terry Jones; it's the media, the politicians, and yet another display of Islamic fanaticism.

Kel said...

The bottom line though is that the story isn't Terry Jones; it's the media, the politicians, and yet another display of Islamic fanaticism.

Oh, right. I get where you are coming from my friend.

It's "fanaticism" if Muslims object to an act of pure hatred such as the burning of a book they consider sacred. It's their fault for being so unreasonable.

I wonder if you would have this view if Muslims were burning bibles outside the proposed site of the Park 51 mosque? Would it be wrong to report that if it were taking place?

Anonymous said...

No it is certainly their right to peacefully object to this man who threatened to maybe burn a Koran. But instead it was yet another display of violence. The politicians got involved because they KNEW there woul be a violent reaction. This is almost no difference between this and the irrational violence and threats that resulted from the Danish cartoons or numerous other "affronts to Islam". The difference of course is that this was a media stunt and nothing ever actually happened - except the violence. And none of this would ever have happened had the media not been willing dupes seeking to advance a provocative.

If a lone Muslim individual with maybe a small handful of followers wants to burn a bible in NYC I could really care less. It's called freedom of speech. I can tell you for a fact though that hundreds of thousands won't take to the streets in violent protests while shouting "death to Islam". Anyone who thinks massive violent protests are a reasonable objection to someone threatening to burn a book is out of their mind.

Kel said...

No it is certainly their right to peacefully object to this man who threatened to maybe burn a Koran. But instead it was yet another display of violence

There was no display of violence. Where was this "display of violence" which you are speaking of?

Obama and the others spoke out because they felt if he went ahead with this it would risk US troops. And that it would be a recruiting tool for al Qaeda.

I can tell you for a fact though that hundreds of thousands won't take to the streets in violent protests while shouting "death to Islam".

Well, there weren't hundreds of thousands of protesters, but certainly a sizeable number of people made their protest known outside of the Park 51 mosque.

And I can see where you are going with this, you seem to be arguing that Muslims are irrationally angry. You are remembering that your nation has invaded two Muslim country's and killed hundreds of thousands of people, aren't you?

I think it perfectly understandable that they feel as if your nation has declared war on Islam. Certainly from the way many of your politicians talk, one would think you were at war with Islam rather than al Qaeda.

Anonymous said...

There was no display of violence. Where was this "display of violence" which you are speaking of?

Here, for example.

but certainly a sizeable number of people made their protest known outside of the Park 51 mosque.

And? I specifically stated "violent protests". Are you actually equating a small peaceful protest to the massive violent anti-American protests elsewhere in the world?

you seem to be arguing that Muslims are irrationally angry.

I am arguing that the displays of violence over somebody threatening to possibly burn a Koran and such things as somebody drawing a picture of Mohammad in a cartoon are irrational.

I think it perfectly understandable that they feel as if your nation has declared war on Islam.

So let me get this straight... It's perfectly understandable that the Muslim world feels we have declared war on Islam, yet it is completely irrational for Americans to be distrustful of elements of the Islamic world?

So just to be clear, you seem to be stating that you feel that violence is a rational response to some lone citizens threat to burn a book? Or for that matter, drawing a satirical cartoon of Mohammad?

Kel said...

So let me get this straight... It's perfectly understandable that the Muslim world feels we have declared war on Islam

Yes, that is completely understandable. Your politicians, especially your Republican ones, talk as if Islam is the enemy.

yet it is completely irrational for Americans to be distrustful of elements of the Islamic world?

No, the element of the Islamic world you should be at war with is al Qaeda. However, by making it sound as if you are at war with Islam rather than al Qaeda, you are driving moderates towards your enemy.

So just to be clear, you seem to be stating that you feel that violence is a rational response to some lone citizens threat to burn a book?

I don't think violence is ever a rational response, but the country which is carrying out the greatest amount of violence is yours. You seem outraged at two people dying in protests in Afghanistan and yet ignore the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who have died at the hands of your country over the past nine years.

And it is disingenuous of you to describe the protests as a "response to some lone citizens threat to burn a book". The threat to burn a book did not happen in isolation. It happened after your country had illegally invaded Iraq, after your nation had carried out extraordinary renditions against hundreds of Muslims and held many of them without charge for years in Guantanamo Bay, where many claim they were tortured.

So, the reaction you mock was not merely to "a book being burned". It was a reaction to almost a decade of violence towards Muslims carried out by your nation. And some of that violence - Abu Ghraib, waterboarding, - was in clear violation of international law.

I guess that makes some people "irrationally" angry. But it was never about just "a book being burned". That was merely the latest outrage in a very long list of outrages.

nunya said...

Did you hear about the skateboarder that swooped in and gave the Koran he saved from burning to a local Imam in Texas?


Dude, you have no Quran’ '
Protesters in Amarillo reportedly stop man from setting fire to holy book on grill

nunya said...

Did you hear about the skateboarder that swooped in and gave the Koran he saved from burning to a local Imam in Texas?


Dude, you have no Quran’ '
Protesters in Amarillo reportedly stop man from setting fire to holy book on grill

Anonymous said...

Yes America is to blame of course, Bush, Pailin, and Ginrgrich specifically. The fanatical Islamic violence is only a response to our general naughtiness towards the peace-loving Muslim world.

The fact that Muslims have killed more Mulims than Americans have in both Iraq and Afghanistan? The evil US is to blame. The attacks of 9/11, the Cole, Khobar Towers, the embassies in Africa, the civilian housing complex in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Kashmir, London, Madrid, Ft Bliss, Times Square, the first WTC attacks, the attack outside CIA, countless attacks in India and Pakistan, attacks in Yemen and Jordan.... Belive me I could go on... The US is to blame for all of them. Violence from the Danish cartoons and the killing of European politicians by Muslim fanatics? Provoked by the US of course.

"Disingenuous" to blame violent protests on the threatened Koran burning? Instead of subscribing your own motivations to the protesters try reading about them. There's no larger narrative and the protesters themselves are pretty clear about why they're protesting as are the news reports.

Violence stemming from the now-defunct threat by a heretofore little-known pastor, Terry Jones, illustrated the depth of outrage inspired in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Muslim world over his church's declared intent to desecrate the Koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Seems pretty clear to me. Oh yeah, it's definitely got to be a part of some larger more nuanced narrative. Yeah right, because the people in these protests have definitely shown they're all about the subtle nuance.

Kel said...

Nunya and Dude,

Yes, I did read about that guy. Good on him.

Anonymous,

You might think of getting yourself a name. And your argument is nothing more than a repetition of the tired right wing "Blame America" defence in which everything your nation has ever done was done altruistically and only "America haters" could say otherwise.

And the fact that you imagine that this Koran burning is not in any way fanning the flames of any other feelings Muslims might have concerning your country's actions towards Muslims over the past nine years is simply fanciful.

Your narrative seems to be that none of this is the fault of the pastor and all of this is the fault of Muslims and their "irrational anger".

Don't you worry that your attitude is just a tiny bit Islamophobic?