Friday, July 18, 2008

John Ashcroft defends waterboarding: ‘I do not believe it would define torture.’



Unbelievable. If waterboarding is not torture, then torture itself simply doesn't exist. What definition of torture would not include drowning people?

2 comments:

Todd Dugdale said...

So if any of our captured troops get waterboarded, I guess we can't object, right? It's not torture, it's a dunk in the water, a no-brainer. Almost fun.

Aside from that, we've just given every repressive regime in the world a manual on how to torture "acceptably". If they get criticised, they can simply point out that the U.S. has clearly stated that what they are doing is not torture.

And certainly any enemies we face in the field will be much more reluctant to surrender knowing that they face torture at our hands.

And we've done this in exchange for what? The ability to strike a tough pose.

Kel said...

Todd,

That's the breathtaking part of all of this. They have given up America's moral high ground for nothing.

Over the years I have found the difference between Reagan's rhetoric about "the shining city on a hill" and his actions in Greneda, Nicaragua etc vomit inducing.

But there were things that America appeared to stand for that could not be argued with.

Bush has traded it away. Don't get me wrong, an Obama administration can restore it, but the Republicans have embraced this shit, they have made it what they are. McCain is campaigning on it for God's sake.

I can only hope that Obama wins by a landslide and scares the Republicans into a radical rethink about where they go from here.

Their current position is an obscenity.