Monday, October 01, 2007

The Sound of Silence

Yeah, yeah... It's cliched emotional rubbish.

But this video moved me. Because it underlines how easy it is to accept the authoritarian arguments provided by governments and the media; and how the real courage of ordinary people taking to the streets - to say they don't buy the lies propagated by the people in charge - far exceeds the bravery of right wing typists, supporting an immoral war from behind the safety of their keyboards.

The brave speak out. The cowards simply agree...



9 comments:

Unknown said...

how the real courage of ordinary people taking to the streets - to say they don't buy the lies propagated by the people in charge - far exceeds the bravery of right wing typists, supporting an immoral war from behind the safety of their keyboards.

People exercising the rights secured for them by other people who have actually served is not remotely "courageous". I've witnessed true acts of courage on a frequent basis, and that ain't it.

When you refer to "right wing typists, supporting an immoral war from behind the safety of their keyboards", would that include milbloggers and other military veterans who have actually served in conflicts, or do you only refer to other "typists" whose opinions you disagree with and who you believe aren't allowed to have an opinion?

Kel said...

When you refer to "right wing typists, supporting an immoral war from behind the safety of their keyboards", would that include milbloggers and other military veterans who have actually served in conflicts, or do you only refer to other "typists" whose opinions you disagree with and who you believe aren't allowed to have an opinion?

When have I ever stated that people whom I disagree with are not allowed to have an opinion?

Unknown said...

Your assertion regarding those who "supporting an immoral war from behind the safety of their keyboards" seems to indicate that you believe that since they are not actually serving in Iraq, their opinions on the subject are not valid. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

That said, you never answered the question.

Kel said...

I think you are reading far too much into it. I myself have never served, so it would be idiotic if I were to make that something that one must have done in order to have an opinion.

And the people I am referring to are the Michelle Malkin's of this world and the other right wing loons like Bill Kristol who seem to think it's the height of bravery to spout the government line of the day and call for other people's children to die. They define this as bravery and accuse people who want the war to end as cowards who lack the stomach for the long war.

I, of course, am not referring to military bloggers and wonder where your head is sometimes that you could ever have drawn that conclusion.

Unknown said...

And the people I am referring to are the Michelle Malkin's of this world and the other right wing loons like Bill Kristol who seem to think it's the height of bravery to spout the government line of the day and call for other people's children to die. They define this as bravery

I can't recall ever hearing one of these people defining bravery as "spouting the government line".

and accuse people who want the war to end as cowards who lack the stomach for the long war.

Personally I don't think cowardice is the problem. Many of the worst leftists are those who are so invested in their country's defeat that the cannot stand the thought of any positive outcome in Iraq, in many cases because they feel it would reflect positively on the President. No, "cowards" is not the word I would choose to label such people.

I, of course, am not referring to military bloggers and wonder where your head is sometimes that you could ever have drawn that conclusion.

Well, "right wing typists" who support the war is a pretty broad brush that on the surface of it includes folks like veterans and milbloggers, as well as many others who don't share your views. Maybe a little more precision in the language would help to avoid such misunderstandings. Besides, Michelle Malkin is a little hottie, and far better looking than anything the loony left has to offer.

Kel said...

I can't recall ever hearing one of these people defining bravery as "spouting the government line".

It would be pretty idiotic if the were state what they were doing so baldly, no? No, they parrot whatever the administration are currently pedalling and pass it off as independent thought.

No, "cowards" is not the word I would choose to label such people.

But we weren't talking about what you would call them, Jason.

Well, "right wing typists" who support the war is a pretty broad brush that on the surface of it includes folks like veterans and milbloggers, as well as many others who don't share your views.

As is "the worst leftists" by which you mean anyone who doesn't support the war, people who you deem to be yearning for their own country's defeat, which is pretty near to charging them with treason. It seems you are allowed to ponder why ANYONE who opposes the war "cannot stand the thought of any positive outcome in Iraq", whilst I must be careful and precise about any encompassing term I use.

Maybe a little more precision in the language would help to avoid such misunderstandings.

Maybe, as English is such a hobby of yours you could arrange the following words into a well known phrase: yourself fuck go.

Unknown said...

No, they parrot whatever the administration are currently pedalling and pass it off as independent thought.

And what on earth does that have to do with bravery? And how on earth does that make those who simply exercise the freedoms that others have secured for them "brave"?

As is "the worst leftists" by which you mean anyone who doesn't support the war

No, I know many people who don't support the war whom I wouldn't call leftists. However, those who are most vocal and hysterical about it usually are.

people who you deem to be yearning for their own country's defeat, which is pretty near to charging them with treason

You said it, not me.

It seems you are allowed to ponder why ANYONE who opposes the war "cannot stand the thought of any positive outcome in Iraq"

You are wildly exaggerating again. Nowhere have I stated, nor do I believe, that ANYONE who opposes the war cannot stand the though of any positive outcome in Iraq. There are however many whose irrational hatred of Bush is so encompassing that they would likely view any positive developments in Iraq as something good for Bush, and they could not stand. Many of these people seem to be quite invested in a negative outcome.

hilst I must be careful and precise about any encompassing term I use.

Don't be precise if you don't care to be, but also don't act all surprised when someone asks for clarification.

Maybe, as English is such a hobby of yours you could arrange the following words into a well known phrase: yourself fuck go

I don't want you to spend a couple hours trying to re-arrange things to get the right meaning, so I'll just give it to you: lick my balls.

Kel said...

And what on earth does that have to do with bravery?

Nothing. It's simply more right wing loons thinking they are being brave by asking that other people fight in wars for them.

No, I know many people who don't support the war whom I wouldn't call leftists. However, those who are most vocal and hysterical about it usually are.

Well, it looks to me as if the only people calling for the war to be brought to an end are on the left wing of the political spectrum. And you have decided that they are almost traitors, although I see you fall short of actually having the courage of your convictions and instead say, "You said it not me".

The notion that people on the left might not support this war because it is immoral and wrong appears not to have occurred to you.

But to argue that I apparently do not want anyone to have an opinion that does not concur with my own is not only ludicrous, as our numerous conversations proves, but your definition of free speech labels huge swathes of Americans as traitors.

I have never called any war supporter a traitor, so it's a bit rich for you to accuse others of not allowing differing opinion while you label opponents as guilty of treason.

lick my balls

I know it's hard and that I am wildly attractive, but you must try and keep your sexual feelings for me in check.

Unknown said...

It's simply more right wing loons thinking they are being brave by asking that other people fight in wars for them.

So you claim to know what they are thinking even as you admit that none of them have ever claimed this indicates bravery.

And you have decided that they are almost traitors

You are falsely extrapolating my comments which clearly indicated a subset of the group to try an encompass the entire group.

although I see you fall short of actually having the courage of your convictions

The courage of my convictions has had me inside multiple combat zones. Where have yours taken you?

The notion that people on the left might not support this war because it is immoral and wrong appears not to have occurred to you.

I have no doubt that there are some on the left who believe this.

but your definition of free speech labels huge swathes of Americans as traitors.

Yawn... Again, "huge swaths"? No, I have directed most of my venom at a particular subset of leftists, despite the fact that you would like to lead people to believe otherwise. As for traitors, I have not used that word here.

you label opponents as guilty of treason.

Where have I said anything even close to "people who don't support the war are traitors"? I'm waiting...