tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24005214.post1899965221573875259..comments2023-10-19T12:25:15.143+01:00Comments on The Osterley Times: US tried to gag British man tortured in Guantanamo.Kelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14466059072530968330noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24005214.post-26936701260708773512009-03-26T15:55:00.000+00:002009-03-26T15:55:00.000+00:00Oh they were quite clearly destroyed because they ...Oh they were quite clearly destroyed because they contained evidence of crimes. Which makes their destruction a crime in itself.Kelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14466059072530968330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24005214.post-38447301145426797312009-03-26T13:43:00.000+00:002009-03-26T13:43:00.000+00:00Danner's article makes entirely clear just why all...Danner's article makes entirely clear just why all those CIA videotapes of those Zubydah sessions were destroyed. And, yes, the senseless, months-long brutal escapades certainly do not strike one as extracting information. How much useful intel can any detainee have after months or years in prison? None. These were exercises in sadism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24005214.post-75383737211494737642009-03-26T11:11:00.000+00:002009-03-26T11:11:00.000+00:00Anderson,Yes I came across that piece about a week...Anderson,<BR/><BR/>Yes I came across that piece about a week ago. It's truly horrifying isn't it? And, as you rightly point out, there is no longer any doubt that the US engaged in the systemic use of torture. <BR/><BR/>And the worst point of all which I took from the article you referenced was that it appeared to be torture simply for the sake of torturing. It wasn't actually about information extraction, it appeared to be an exercise in how far you could go with detainees rather than an attempt to extract actionable intelligence from them.<BR/><BR/>And the more Obama's justice department release their memos, showing exactly just how illegal were their activities, it is becoming impossible to see any way that prosecutions could be avoided.Kelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14466059072530968330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24005214.post-87261966751489451802009-03-25T18:54:00.000+00:002009-03-25T18:54:00.000+00:00Kel,Have you read Mark Danner's piece in the NY Re...Kel,<BR/><BR/>Have you read Mark Danner's piece in the NY Review of Books? If not, you must. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22530" REL="nofollow">US Torture: Voices from the Black Sites</A><BR/><BR/>The evidence is now everywhere: the Bush administration tortured people, at times quite directly (oh yeah!). It was systematic and ordered by the highest authorities. Prison is a must for these people, including but not limited to, George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, John Ashcroft, John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales, George Tenet, David Addington. There are more.<BR/><BR/>That's just the torture crowd. The net expands rapidly on the domestic scene, where Karl Rove and his merry band of pudgy Republican democracy-wreckers get to talk on television (Fox News of course!) in open defiance of a congressional subpoena and/or voter fraud laws (yeah, that's you, Ann Coulter). Normal people would be in jail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com